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Jono_s2002

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Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« on: October 19, 2015, 21:31:55 PM »
Hi all I'm new to Frequency DB and Amateur radio in general

I have bought a Baofeng radio specifically for Airsoft purposes and was wondering are there other things I can tune into without breaking any laws without a licence I'm interested in listening rather than broadcasting?

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J

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2015, 14:28:02 PM »
Hi all I'm new to Frequency DB and Amateur radio in general

I have bought a Baofeng radio specifically for Airsoft purposes and was wondering are there other things I can tune into without breaking any laws without a licence I'm interested in listening rather than broadcasting?

Regards
J

Welcome aboard, and congrats to your purchase.

The problem here is that your Baofeng radio is a transmitter. So technically speaking you are already breaking the law by simply owning the set.


Scanner: UBC-3500XLT, UBC-355CLT, GRECOM PSR-255
PMR446: Binatone A-950
HT's: Wouxun KG-UVD1P/KG-669P, Puxing 777-Plus, Baofeng UV5-RE
TX: Kenwood TS-570DGE, Icom IC-7000, Sommerkamp FT-767, Yaesu FT-101ZD, Kenwood TM-D710E, Baojie BJ-9900
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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2015, 21:07:42 PM »
I bought it here in a store and it is only capable of picking up transmissions from within the legel free radio frequencies I've I cannot tune into the ones that are licensed

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2015, 08:36:57 AM »
Hi Jono_s2002

In order to answer your questions better, please allow me to ask some questions:

- what country are you based ?
- what is the Model/Type of the Baofeng radio ?

Based on your answers, we can help you further.

Rgds,
Edwin.

Scanner: UBC-3500XLT, UBC-355CLT, GRECOM PSR-255
PMR446: Binatone A-950
HT's: Wouxun KG-UVD1P/KG-669P, Puxing 777-Plus, Baofeng UV5-RE
TX: Kenwood TS-570DGE, Icom IC-7000, Sommerkamp FT-767, Yaesu FT-101ZD, Kenwood TM-D710E, Baojie BJ-9900
Antenna's: **lots**

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2015, 13:20:57 PM »
BaoFeng UV-5R Dual Band Two Way Radio

http://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Radio-Black/dp/B007H4VT7A

I am based in Ireland south dublin

I purchased the radio in a shop in Kerry and was just interested in listening to anything around my area nothing illegal as I have previously stated

Jono_s2002

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2015, 13:26:45 PM »
These are the channels I have set up on the radio which I thought were legel free to use channels

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2015, 14:32:37 PM »
Hi Jono_s2002,

Thanks for the answers, there are two questions you are really asking:
1) "Legality" of your activities ?
2) what can I listen to ?

So let me try to address these questions, but the answer may not be what you like to hear.

1) "Legality"

Here in Ireland there are strict laws regarding ownership of transmitting equipment, and the Baofeng UV5 is such a transmitter. You may NOT own a transmitter without a license. This is exactly what I was trying to tell you in a previous post.

It is true that the "PMR 446" frequencies are license expempt, however they are only exempt with "type approved equipment" which is not the Baofeng UV5 series of handheld transmitters. Some other sets (with much more limited functionality) are for sale in shops like Argos. Example are the "Binatone" series of "walkietalkie" for sale in many outlets. They have type-approval, maximum of 500mW-ERP, fixed non-removable antenna, and other requirements which are needed for the type-approval for operation (and ownership) of such equipment.

The Baofeng you have purchased is not legal to own unless you have an Amateur Radio license.
Even when you only use it on "free" frequencies, it still is not legal to own.

This is unfortunately the law, and as you asked the question: this is the answer.

It is known that many people ignore the law and use the equipment, due to the general availability of this equipment, but that does not make it legal.

Personally, I am licensed, and have many handheld transmitters, including various models of the Baofeng UV5 series. Even being licensed I cannot use the Baofeng on the mentioned "free" frequencies, as they are only "free" for use with the correct equipment. Therefore I actually own a couple of Binatone 950's for PMR 446 use. Because of the restrictions of exempt usage, I find these Binatone 950 excellent within the limitations set by law... there are others with a variance on performance... YMMV.

2) ... the last question: what can I listen for?
The general band spec of a Baofeng allows frequency tuning between 140-170MHz and 400-470 MHz, so use the database and this forum to search for frequencies others are listening for... but even when only using the set for only listening, the above still applies.

There is a specific topic-forum "Frequencies" ... have a look there for what others are listening for.

I hope I have answered your questions,
Rgds,
vanmie.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2015, 14:40:11 PM by vanmie »

Scanner: UBC-3500XLT, UBC-355CLT, GRECOM PSR-255
PMR446: Binatone A-950
HT's: Wouxun KG-UVD1P/KG-669P, Puxing 777-Plus, Baofeng UV5-RE
TX: Kenwood TS-570DGE, Icom IC-7000, Sommerkamp FT-767, Yaesu FT-101ZD, Kenwood TM-D710E, Baojie BJ-9900
Antenna's: **lots**

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2015, 15:20:16 PM »
Although I wouldn't argue with vanmie...have a listen to :

156.800 (marine emergency and general activity channel)

160.800 (marine ch4, often weather reports)

156.700 (marine ch14)

156.500 (marine ch10)

156.375 (marine ch67)

161.775 (marine ch 83)

161.925 (marine ch86)

That's for a good start. Afaik it should be pretty busy in your area. Just don't transmit obviously. It's worth of meeting up with amateur radio club in your area and they would gladly point you into the right direction.

're baofengs and general coverage tx radio - I am not aware of any license available for such a radio so owning one even by licensed amateur radio operators is illegal as such :P
« Last Edit: November 02, 2015, 15:23:23 PM by 5566 »

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2015, 06:43:05 AM »
're baofengs and general coverage tx radio - I am not aware of any license available for such a radio so owning one even by licensed amateur radio operators is illegal as such :P

Licensed Amateurs are allowed to own "general coverage" TX equipment, even when the TX capability is outside the allocated Amateur bands.

:P

(obviously we are not allowed to use the TX capability outside the allocated bands)


Scanner: UBC-3500XLT, UBC-355CLT, GRECOM PSR-255
PMR446: Binatone A-950
HT's: Wouxun KG-UVD1P/KG-669P, Puxing 777-Plus, Baofeng UV5-RE
TX: Kenwood TS-570DGE, Icom IC-7000, Sommerkamp FT-767, Yaesu FT-101ZD, Kenwood TM-D710E, Baojie BJ-9900
Antenna's: **lots**

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2015, 06:56:37 AM »
Obviously we are not allowed to use the TX capability outside the allocated bands, and the equipment must be capable of TX in the allocated Amateur Radio bands. Example: if a set is only dedicated to Marine communications (156-160MHz) and has no capability for any of the Amateur bands, then it would not be legal to own without an appropriate license, even for Radio Amateurs. However a "general coverage" set, which can do Marine band and 2m Amateur band is legal to own with an Amateur Radio license.

For using the forenamed sets: the license specifies the maximum level of out of band signals / inteference / harmonics / spurious emissions... once the set is compliant with these specifications it can be used for Amateur Radio purpose.

Licensed Radio Amateurs are not bound by CE marking or any-type-approval, and can even build their own equipment, as long as the equipment when used is compliant with the specifications as mentioned above, these specifications are set out and referenced by the license itself.

Rgds,
vanmie.

Scanner: UBC-3500XLT, UBC-355CLT, GRECOM PSR-255
PMR446: Binatone A-950
HT's: Wouxun KG-UVD1P/KG-669P, Puxing 777-Plus, Baofeng UV5-RE
TX: Kenwood TS-570DGE, Icom IC-7000, Sommerkamp FT-767, Yaesu FT-101ZD, Kenwood TM-D710E, Baojie BJ-9900
Antenna's: **lots**

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2015, 07:18:05 AM »
Jono_s2002,

Just to get you started with listening:
The channels on your Baofeng can be programmed without TX frequencies, once you have programmed the channels, you can use the "scan" function to cycle through the channels, and it will stop when a channel is "active". By omitting the TX frequencies when programming you prevent accidental TX.

The scan speed of the Baofeng is quite slow, in the region of 3 channels per second, this is nice to get started, but when you get "hooked" you might want to look for a more dedicated scanner... but that is for a later discussion.

In the Dublin area, there is still some activity on Fire Brigade portable frequencies (in the range of your Baofeng):

452.52500
460.47500
462.15000
462.25000
462.45000
462.47500
462.65000
466.50000
466.52500
466.55000
466.57500

Some activity on portable frequencies from Ambulance Services:

HSE Portable   456.95000
Life Line           457.25000

You might pick up some activity from the airport, but you will have to be closer to it:

426.76250
428.86250
451.12500
451.65000
452.41250

Marine frequencies

Obviously, channel 12 is "Port operations", and is a good one to listen to as well:
Vessel: 156.60000
Shore: 161.20000 (rarely used)

HTH to get started.

As this [forum] is the "new members introduction" section:
I would recommend that you post questions about Frequencies here: http://www.frequencydb.com/forum/index.php/board,4.0.html
Also, questions about equipment/radios here: http://www.frequencydb.com/forum/index.php/board,15.0.html

Once again: welcome aboard ! And Good Luck with your radio hobby ! :)

Post back what you have found, share your experiences, we would like to read them! It is all about sharing your experiences so we can jointly help each other to improve our activities !

Rgds,
vanmie
« Last Edit: November 03, 2015, 07:32:41 AM by vanmie »

Scanner: UBC-3500XLT, UBC-355CLT, GRECOM PSR-255
PMR446: Binatone A-950
HT's: Wouxun KG-UVD1P/KG-669P, Puxing 777-Plus, Baofeng UV5-RE
TX: Kenwood TS-570DGE, Icom IC-7000, Sommerkamp FT-767, Yaesu FT-101ZD, Kenwood TM-D710E, Baojie BJ-9900
Antenna's: **lots**

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2015, 09:29:09 AM »
Excellent thank you for the information gentlemen I will most definitely post my findings in the forum and will also consider getting a licence as I would rather operate within the confines of the law

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Jono_s2002

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2015, 07:47:19 AM »
Hi Jono_s2002,

I have taken a very formal stance in this discussion, so I will continue with the same approach.

But let me tell you that I suspect that most of the more serious radio enthusiasts, or at least myself, have experimented and dipped in/out the thin legal line at some point in the past, or even in the future.

I always welcome new members to the radio hobby, and certainly encourage everyone with an interest to get the Amateur Radio License.
However it should be for the right reasons, and I am not sure if all the text above makes sense.

So to continue with my formal stance, let me summarize, the "confines of the law":

- without license: you may NOT use your Baofeng for Airsoft purposes on the displayed PMR446 frequencies
- with license: you may NOT use your Baofeng for Airsoft purposes on the displayed PMR446 frequencies

hope that is clear, you may NEVER use your Baofeng on PMR446 frequencies, under NO circumstance, NO exceptions.

if you like to use PMR446 frequencies (with license or without license does not matter), then you MUST use a "type approved handset"
Examples of type approved handsets:
- http://www.maplin.ie/p/mitex-professional-pmr-446-single-pack-n71ln
- http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/3328277/Trail/searchtext%3EBINATONE.htm
- http://www.maplin.ie/p/intek-mt-4040-pmr-radio-n93nf

The last one, the Intek 4040, is generally considered one of the best, if not the best, for PMR446.
Personally I use two Binatone 950 sets from Argos, as I found the Intek to expensive for what I am using PMR446 for.


Or if you like to know the difference between licensed/not-licensed, for your Baofeng:

if you do not have a license:
- you may not own the Baofeng
- you may not use the Baofeng for Receive only, for any frequency
- you may not use the Baofeng for Transmit/Receive for any frequency

if you have a license:
- you may own the Baofeng
- you may use the Baofeng for RX and TX in Amateur allocated bands (2-meter / 70-centimeter bands)
- you may use the Baofeng for RX in any frequency the set is capable of
- you may NOT use the Baofeng for TX in PMR 446 frequencies (as already covered above)

I hope this summarizes the official options.

I don't believe that "getting a license" for you, will not satisfy "to be in the confines of the law" in regards the usage of your Baofeng for your Airsoft hobby.
I still would encourage anyone who has an interest to get an Amateur Radio license, but I wrote this post, as I would like it to be for the right reasons.

Rgds,
vanmie

Scanner: UBC-3500XLT, UBC-355CLT, GRECOM PSR-255
PMR446: Binatone A-950
HT's: Wouxun KG-UVD1P/KG-669P, Puxing 777-Plus, Baofeng UV5-RE
TX: Kenwood TS-570DGE, Icom IC-7000, Sommerkamp FT-767, Yaesu FT-101ZD, Kenwood TM-D710E, Baojie BJ-9900
Antenna's: **lots**

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 15:14:22 PM »
Angels above, devils below.

Use your baofeng merilly on 446 to your heart content. Among other restrictions for 446 standard in Ireland it says clearly that ctcss is mandatory as well as tot. Yet I've never heard of a single driving school or baby monitor owner being prosecuted for running a countless continous carriers for hours and no child was smacked for using Lidl set with no ctcss featured whatsoever.

Not to mention construction industry what adopted 446 on ex-pmr in a big way where even the deviation nor a frequency rasteri s being kept at all.

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Re: Hello New user with a Baofeng Radio
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2015, 20:04:35 PM »
I am descending ...  :) :) :)

Scanner: UBC-3500XLT, UBC-355CLT, GRECOM PSR-255
PMR446: Binatone A-950
HT's: Wouxun KG-UVD1P/KG-669P, Puxing 777-Plus, Baofeng UV5-RE
TX: Kenwood TS-570DGE, Icom IC-7000, Sommerkamp FT-767, Yaesu FT-101ZD, Kenwood TM-D710E, Baojie BJ-9900
Antenna's: **lots**